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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#16  Unread postby EnglishSpot » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:33 pm


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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#17  Unread postby Nika » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:52 am


Miss M wrote:I would love to have a colony, but I have fire ants. :(


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IT`S uch better than television, my favourite scene is when they share a twig/treat/carrot, like you see people doing with spaghetti. Don˙t know what is cuter than kissing bunnies :)

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#18  Unread postby Preitler » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:23 pm


Hi,

actually, not many of the small meat breeders over here seem even to know coccidiosis or many other diseases. Only read about that in the local pet boards.
I'm sure my rabbits were exposed to pretty much before they even came to me, and after 3 years of digging they'll already got in contact with whatever is out there. Can't help it, for me a great part of the satisfaction of keeping rabbits comes from having them running around. And I've not heard that that is a problem here, I guess only rabbits that really get sick get culled by our small scale farm and backyard breeders.

I do not raise for comercial reasons, and I don't have a big herd. If one gets sick, well, bad, but I don't think any stock here was ever really isolated from germs, also the wild rabbits will always come close (here, exactly the same species as our bunnies). Only problem encountered till now was Myxo, but where I live since February there is no wild rabbit population, should be safe from that now :)

I have a fence, but that's more symbolic, no foundation or so, and enough points where a rabbit could fit through if it wanted to, but most accept it. End of territory. From time to time one gets out, but they always take the exakt way back when chased, so easy to find and close loopholes. Sold the last one that didn't stop getting out.
They aren't out the whole day (each hutch seperatly), only for a few hours when I'm at home. Most return to their hutch at nightfall by themself, othes I lure in with pellets. I don't let them out under 6 weeks, and not before one is at least a month or two in his hutch and has accepted this as his home. If you let them out without a fence or some supervision they will expand their radius pretty fast (tried that out at the beginning), and will find a nice new home or their end by fox, dog etc.

I think my buck was too young and didn't exactly know what that shrew is good for, but when he saw close up that she's just another bunny and got the point about what to do he had the upper hand :D

Anyway, each rabbit is different, I like to study their behavior and to tinker about what's going on in these little brains and how to react to that :)

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#19  Unread postby Nika » Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:02 pm


How do you keep them when does are pregnant and nursing? Is the transition from rangingfree to being enclosed in a hutch all day very stresfull do them? I am planning keeping them in from the day 28 of gestation and till the babies are 3 weeks old, is this ok?

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#20  Unread postby Preitler » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:42 pm


I don't change anything in the routine. They get their garden time anyway. Pregnant and nursing does even more since I don't want to stress them and I think digging is a good workout, they get a good time. I use closed litter boxes with just one entrance, which gets stuffed tight with hay by the doe for the first week. When the kits are big enough to come out of the box I close the hutch when the doe is out.

I used to let them out with my buck, he was a sweetie, not sure if that will work with thw new buck, but now my two breeding does are living together anyway, so no need for company.

I plan to breed them alternatly, not 2 litters at the same time, they are too pumped up with hormones then to be really predictable. It's mother and daughter, black mom had 2 litters now with the red doe in the same hutch - no problem. Now I'm waiting for the first litter of the red doe.

-- Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:19 pm --

Update:

Well, that was a false pregnancy, meticulously carried out. I bred her again after her time was due, and for just to be sure I stuffed her into the bucks hutch for 3 days one week later. Hm, never heard so much odd sounds from a rabbit. Very vocal girl, sounded like something between pig and small fowl. But they got along really fine, no aggressions, lots of cuddling.

The breeder I have the buck from told me that he puts them together for 3 days to get a hit :x , wtf, my old buck had a 100% rate after maximum 3 minutes, with the Black Fury it was always under 30 seconds, record way under 10 seconds, I think I'll keep one of his sons (I've 8 to chose from) until I'm sure the new buck actually get's a hit. He is a really sweet guy, but hasn't proven he's capable of his job til now.

And, I'm Rabbitosis infected, I'll keep one of the doelings from my old buck, younger sister of my shrew, 3 breeding does then. There were some troubles introducing her back to her older sister and mother, but it seems to work out, when they are in the garden they already act as a team.
But have to cull my grey doe, her eyes aren't getting any better. Too bad, she is somewhat bigger than the black, but had always litters of 5 or 6 which would be perfect for me, they grow fast and I don't need 9 to 11 per litter...

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#21  Unread postby imajpm » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:26 pm


Maybe she thinks he is a young whippersnapper! I think bucks are pretty interesting. I have a NZW buck who isn't the smartest rabbit. He has a one track thug mind and none of the does like him. It always take repeated trips, twice a day, for three or four days before they finally give up and let him have his way.

I used to have an angora buck who conversely, they all loved. I used him for all my nervous, worried, confused first timers. He would just sit quietly in the middle while they zipped wildly around him in circles. The minute they stopped, he'd hop forward and set them off again. So back he went, sitting in the middle waiting and ignoring them. Eventually they settled down and he commenced the second phase of his seduction, which was gentle face grooming. Shortly after that, when they were good and romanced, he got the job done :) I miss that buck. I have another now who is similar but not quite as patient.

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The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#22  Unread postby Preitler » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:56 am


Yippee, popples at last :D

Sometime between 23:30 and 01:30 this night (I'm on sick leave with the flu and coudn't sleep, kept checking and drinking tea through the night)

Well, when I started to try getting her bred I worried about the heat, now I keep putting hot stones under the nestbox and won't disturb the nest for a few days, it's getting pretty cold now.
So I don't know how many, or what they look like, but the nest looks ok, and I could feel them when I added the fur I saved from her false pregnancy :)

It's much later in the year than I planned, greens are getting scarce already (because almost everything gets mowed and shreddered, all the good stuff :overreaction: ), I hope my own pasture does better next year, after this years bunny berry treatment...
Anyway, I need to buy some bales of hay, sure will have to feed this litter until end of January, and with 4 does and one buck there are more bunnies than I planned for.

Ok, but I can start to worry about that as soon as I know the litter is well, gets fed, etc., it's her first time after all.

Will make pics asap.

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#23  Unread postby EnglishSpot » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:12 am


Congratulations on your litter!!! I can't wait to see pictures!!!!
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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#24  Unread postby HansenHomestead » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:21 am


All 3 of does didn't want to play at first. I let them try on there own for a few minutes, but after that I placed my hand on all of the does heads, and made them lay flat. After that they all lifted without a struggle.

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Re: The Taming Of The Shrew after Awful First Dates?

Post Number:#25  Unread postby Preitler » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:13 am


Hi,

Pictures :)

This is what my nestbox looks like. Note that the entrance get's stuffed with hay everytime the doe leaves, kits can't get out, the other two does don't dare to touch the plug, my red shrew is a very dedicated and protective mom :roll:

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And that's the litter, 10 kits in all levels of broken, and the same colour as buck and doe. One is somewhat smaller, maybe I'll take some bigger out for a meal.

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Post Number:#26  Unread postby macksmom98 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:28 am


Such a beautiful sight!!!!! Congrats:)

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Post Number:#27  Unread postby Phacelia » Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:43 pm


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Post Number:#28  Unread postby alforddm » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:22 pm


Wow! That is a gorgeous litter.

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Post Number:#29  Unread postby EnglishSpot » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:48 pm


They are lovely lovely lovely!! Lucky you!!
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