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akane

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There is plenty to disagree with here but it's far from my mostly impulse pickup of the runt husky. I've been thinking about it since I came across the breeder in Feb. In my quest to find something that can fill my akita's place as she ages I came across a person who had brought hunting/guarding dogs down from northern canada. Similar to the more official northern inuit dogs used to portray dire wolves in Game of Thrones. There are also Canadian Inuit/eskimo dogs that I looked at which are a little more american akita type body with a touch of malamute than the longer husky and inuit dog's wolf-like body. The only breeder I could reach prefers her dogs go in the ring or on the snow and I decided against it. I was looking at siberian Laika which are similar being a siberian hunting dog but their smaller size and again the desire of all the breeders to sell to working homes that hunt at least squirrel mostly rules them out. I got a chance at one but it's in virginia. So like I said I came across this breeder in Feb with inuit dogs. There may be wolf back there, there is some malamute in them, and it's a local mix brought down to Indiana and bred for another 25years with a small group of breeders to be very bonded dogs for a variety of lifestyles. I asked the breeder about various activities with them and basically got back that these guys are lumps of clay you can mold into anything if you know how.

My current needs are slightly more psychiatric. I still have trouble doing things outside where people can see me because of constantly being yelled at and critiqued all my life. Being in this house that touches no other house, up in my bedroom, with my 80lb akita is the first time I've felt safe. I didn't even realize that I didn't feel safe and had that much anxiety. I have expanded and I think a psychiatric service dog would be helpful. Being hard to justify a service dog versus an emotional support animal (allowed in no pet housing, on planes, etc... but not any businesses that do not allow pets unlike service dogs) we will ignore that and move on to the fact I need a mobility dog soon. My back and core muscles are improving but we knew my knees would decline. Combined with my back I cannot go up and down strange stairs and some other situations. My side to side balance isn't there and I can't bring my legs tucked up under me very easily. At home I have developed certain places to touch when moving around some of the tighter corners and up and down stairs that allows me to maintain my position. I fell down stairs several times the first few months and again a couple months back. On strange stairs I have to turn somewhat sideways and edge one step at a time up or down. Putting both feet on each stair. I really can't explain why I seem normal until you put me in a few situations. I also can't get out of my kayak. I know what to do and the balance is there but the muscles just don't engage to do it. I can take falls in martial arts again but sometimes I can't find a way to stand up off the floor at home without crawling to an object. I did finally find a regular physician to help me investigate health problems instead of relying on my psychiatrist and whatever ER hasn't decided I'm a hypochondriac.

On to more questionable parts and why I'm asking here and not the dog forums.... This person and those who taught her how to work with dogs take the pups away from mom in the morning, bottle feed, and return them at night. They go to homes as early as 2 weeks. They mature faster than most dog breeds and are weaning at 3 weeks to raw (the breeder prefers) or to canned and then to kibble if the owner desires it. They are with humans every day until put back in their box with siblings (before going to homes) to sleep. That right there just threw me completely off but this breeder and her dogs intrigue me. Most importantly she didn't brush me off as annoying when I questioned her practice. I can't really lay out 6 months of conversations here but it sounds well thought out, well intentioned, and logical for what the dogs are used for. They would be closely human bonded lone hunters and individual guard dogs. I would have stopped thinking about it long ago but I know and can handle the spitz breed nature, I have a pack of varying well socialized personalities to raise the puppy, I have places to socialize it, I can do obedience classes and whatever other activities, and I already raised my akita to go anywhere I go most of the time. Even when she couldn't go in stores she waited with windows down and a water bowl except during heat extremes when my mom watched her. I already raised an early weaned husky to have good bite inhibition (there's a small amount of mouthing when excited still but she's only turning 2) and a good attitude towards humans and dogs that can be worked with even in unknown situations. I tore myself up over this "breed" type and early handling method for 6 months now while randomly asking the breeder questions at all hours. Right now I am convinced to go with it and at the top of the list.

My problems... First a setup to bottle feed and housebreak puppy. I have a friend who breeds akitas to help. Then, it's the service dog stuff. Where do I look for help in self trained service dogs? I don't want to step on any toes which is why I hope to just not deal with the ambigous ESA vs psychiatric service animal and declare one due to mobility issues. I'm told it will take 2 years of training and maturing for the dog to be fully capable to help me and I don't see my knees and back issues improving. How do I teach a dog to take my weight? What's the best way to teach right and left side movement to get in position? Knowing how much my akita identifies with her fleece blanket as her space I thought of bringing along a piece as a marker. Training the puppy to stay on/go to that space when told no matter what I do if I cannot have him right next to me. If you don't want the dog to greet everyone then how do you socialize the puppy and still remain aloof?

I don't know. This is where I don't know what I don't know to the point I can't even ask how to train a self raised service dog without potentially upsetting those that have service dogs. I know what I need but not how to start getting there and I'm not sure anyone knowledgeable will help me. Everything I find is about using one of that group's dogs chosen for you after being raised in another home and often their training classes only. One of my akita's brothers was used as a service dog so her breeder is going to try to come back up with the information they originally started with 10 years ago and the person who still has the now retired akita service dog. His need was obvious though since he's in a wheelchair with barely any vision and legally a quadraplegic. People don't question his disability needs and much of it was just having a big dog around to help move him and his chair while protecting him from things he can't see. Mine is more complicated, less serious, less common.... but still necessary. I'm lucky to not have broken anything but a toe so far. Otherwise lots of bruises, pulled muscles from trying to hold on to something as gravity disagreed, a gash on my arm where I landed in a broken vent... Puppies won't be available until Dec-Jan so needing a place to start I am rearranging the house, cementing husky housebreaking, and setting up a puppy raising area. I will have a system in place before puppies are wiggling around.
 
It's so hard navigating uncharted waters, isn't it? It sounds like you're working on a good game plan, and have time to sort through some of the big and small details. I have no idea about service dogs though... I know that's a touchy area in a lot of ways (I watched a neat documentary, but some of the reviews blasted it because their practices were different than what some people thought they should be). And if anyone can handle that type of dog, it's you! I wouldn't have a clue what to do or where to start, but I am always fascinated by your knowledge on such a wide variety of animals.

As for non-visible illness, it sucks, doesn't it? I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, asthma, a whole host of GI stuff, and auto immune thyroid issues at the ripe age of 17. I try so hard to just keep going, but some days I just can't, and I feel like such a wuss. Anyone looking at me sees a 32 year old mom of 4, and especially when I was younger, would tell me "You think you hurt now?" or "You think you are tired now" (insert whatever other comment) - "just wait until you're my age." Gee, thanks. That's helpful. So I just keep my mouth shut and plug through it. It's getting harder and harder to do that some days. Invisible illnesses are tough to navigate, that's for sure!

I know my kids' piano teacher's husband has an issue where the muscles in his legs are shutting down. He's a farmer and is having a hard time getting around anymore. They have no answers for him, they don't know what's going on. He's losing function of both legs and can't do anything about it. Sometimes modern medicine doesn't have all the answers, and a lot of times if they can't explain it, or see it, then it must not be real.
 
I think I have something like chronic fatigue instead of just severe insomnia or it could even be something with greater physical impact and not just old damage to my knees. My insomnia barely responds to any meds and I will have sudden days or weeks of no energy and unable to wake up. Literally unable to wake up despite also being unable to fall asleep. I will turn an alarm off over and over and fall asleep sitting up until something like 10-12hrs has passed so it's not really safe to attempt activities even if I can force myself to my feet. Other times I bounce out of bed at 9am, down a mountain dew, and annoy the crap out of everyone until we do something. I've tried to get disability but its impossible without a lawyer and several more GOOD doctors at this point. Try explaining it as a teenager and it goes over even worse which is where all my stress and dislike of having people around comes from. My knees and back getting worse might eventually count in their eyes but I make up for it so well because I have fast reflexes, good balance, and spent years on horses and bikes followed by a decade of martial arts. Sometimes in martial arts we uncover something I am doing differently. The way I stand up out of a fall is completely unique and while it has the full force of my body ready to respond it throws off certain series of techniques where it matters which way you turn and which foot you step with when standing to repeat attack. We also found while I have completely steady hands and can stand on one leg that if you put me in a position with some of the slack taken up on any set of joints I will twitch slightly in various directions and sometimes I can't take a clear photo for anything because I am constantly correcting unstable lower joints and muscles so my world is never still. Like I said in the house I have my places that range from brushing fingers to bouncing off an elbow/upper arm or hooking some fingers to swing a corner in order to stay where I need to be without slowing down. Every now and then I fail. Then I wonder what it will look like in 2 years or 5 years.
 
I understand the frustrations as a teenager. In 8th grade I got sick and never recovered. They thought it was mono, but I was diagnosed with it the next year. Whatever it was totally wiped out my immune system. I went from easy straight A student, to struggling to make Bs and Cs. I was the latest onset of ADD the lady testing me had ever seen (had it done in HS, no official diagnosis or meds though). The frustrating part is knowing what life was like before, what it felt like to be "normal." In 9th grade I would spend weeks not being able to sleep at night, yet not being able to stay away during the day. I think my parents must have talked to my teachers about it b/c there was one or two times I remember I fell asleep in class (in the front row no less) and I remember one time the teacher just walking by and rubbing my shoulder - more of a consoling motion, not "wake up!" It was miserable.

The lack of sleep can wreck havoc on joints (as can low vitamin D, come to find out! My OB said I had some of the lowest levels they had seen). They actually had me on mild sleep meds in HS b/c they said I wasn't getting into deep enough sleep for my body to restore itself. It makes sense to me. Even now, I am similar as what you describe in that there are times I can't sleep, and others when I can't wake up. It's a sucky feeling, laying on the couch, caught between dream and reality with kids trying to wake me up and talk to me. I am actually going to be buying a Fitbit HR just for the sleep monitor in attempts to see what my body is doing at night (I really don't want to have to start into sleep studies and various testing, especially since every night varies). I got tired of running to the doctor all the time so now I just live life. I went a couple months ago for an illness (they thought it was appendicitis) and they thought for sure I had been seeing another doctor b/c it had been several years since I had been. When she was pressing around and asking me questions about stomach and back pain and I told her it was pretty much all the time she insisted that we needed to look into it further. I know (likely) what the problems are, there's not much you can do except meds with ridiculous side effects. Anyway, for years I felt like a hypochondriac... one doctor assured me that I wasn't (after I was embarrassed listing off my medical history), that i just had a lot going on. Even now I don't talk about it much because some people look at me like I am crazy.

It took my parents shuttling me back and forth to multiple specialists for a couple of years to sort out what was going on. Even now, any time I go to a new doc, they run the same gamut of tests b/c my symptoms seem to fit certain things (arthritis, lupus, lymes, thyroid, etc.)... but it's not. My thyroid actually fluctuates so you never know what it's going to do, but it's at least not as drastic as it used to be.

All that to say - I don't think you're crazy. I don't know you in person, but I can understand and relate to so much of what you describe - I doubt you're making it up ;) . I know, even after all these years, my husband still doesn't quite understand. I feel so guilty that every day when he gets up for work I stay in bed for a couple hours longer, but it's what my body needs. Still, I feel so lazy :oops: .
 
After my brain managed to understand what safe was the next thing I had to get around was that I can sit still. I can stop when I need to. I can put things off. I don't have to feel horrible and stressed about taking time to rest. There is no one around to complain about my activities except my husband who doesn't care. For awhile I had to be able to see my husband sitting on a computer or something in order to be able to relax myself. We even have the bedroom in what would be the diningroom so that we could put his desktop just on the other side of the big sliding doors to what would be the family room and when you slide the doors open you can see between the 2. Now that my back is recovering I wouldn't mind putting the bedroom up stairs and getting some comfy furniture to use in the room instead but my husband said he isn't moving that mattress up the switchback stairs. :lol <br /><br /> __________ Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:12 am __________ <br /><br /> Just to update. I have acquired several resources for research and youtube videos to find time to watch. I think I'm going to quit using the service dog fb groups until I have actual training questions. I just don't get the mentality. The biggest thing is they are horribly paranoid of pets. They seem almost against them appearing outside a house and even look down on them. It's assumed all non-service dogs are not trained and could eat their SD. Someone even freaked out that their doctor office was going to start allowing therapy and emotional support animals because it could be a danger to their dog. They are not bringing their dog and complaining to the office. I think part of the problem may be that they don't socialize their SD with other dogs much at all and my suggested training work around other dogs was not really appreciated. A dog can't handle misbehaving other dogs if they are not taught what to do. Not only does my akita not start fights she knows how to diffuse them and get out of them. The thread I brought this aspect of the groups up in directly was already going a little south and got deleted fast after that. Once again my particular point of view just fails to fit in anywhere, so I'm just going to quit engaging with them and head off to forge my own path again. Now we wait for puppy prospects to be born. I already set up the initial pen for the puppy. Then we teach basic obedience and overall rules/etiquette for 6months, depending on the dog, before starting specific tasks more seriously. Full mobility training is frequently quoted as taking 2 years to accomplish and you can't really start until the growth plates have closed. One reason I want to start now. OFA testing is also highly suggested.
 
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