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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#16  Unread postby Preitler » Sun May 01, 2016 8:49 am


I'm no expert in wire cages, but the spacing of the side wall wire looks really wide - kits could imho easily fit through. Look at some cage designs, many add baby saver wire around the lower part of the cages.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#17  Unread postby SEP board » Sun May 01, 2016 8:58 am


Preitler wrote:I'm no expert in wire cages, but the spacing of the side wall wire looks really wide - kits could imho easily fit through. Look at some cage designs, many add baby saver wire around the lower part of the cages.



Yes, it did require a baby-saver. This pic was taken before I purchased the rabbits. Since the pic I've added the baby-saver all the way around the doe's cages. About the bottom three inches or so.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#18  Unread postby alforddm » Sun May 01, 2016 10:13 am


You may find you need to add smaller wire up higher than 3". Some kits will climb.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#19  Unread postby SEP board » Sun May 01, 2016 11:18 am


alforddm wrote:You may find you need to add smaller wire up higher than 3". Some kits will climb.


Thank you for the suggestion. I've got some 1/4 inch wire laying around so I could easily add that above what I have now.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#20  Unread postby akane » Sun May 01, 2016 2:51 pm


Is there a specific pvc you use? I've always had the stuff get brittle out in the elements and break long before wood has issues. I think my set for horse training that I put pvc poles into bases lasted about 3 years before they just sheared off into spears when handled. I've avoided pvc for any recent use because of it falling apart after sitting in the sun.
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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#21  Unread postby SEP board » Sun May 01, 2016 3:38 pm


Regular schedule 40 PVC from Lowes. I figure that it should do well as it's in the shady side of the house so the sun's not going to be beating down on it all the time. At least that's my hope. I went with PVC as it wouldn't soak up urine and was very easy to clean. Time will tell.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#22  Unread postby akane » Sun May 01, 2016 5:44 pm


I just enamel coat the wood. It cleans the same as plastic after that and it takes even longer to develop weather damage. I have some sealed wood cages I have reused multiple times for different species.
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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#23  Unread postby SEP board » Sun May 01, 2016 7:28 pm


Good to know for future reference. Thank you. :)

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#24  Unread postby Miss M » Mon May 02, 2016 12:37 am


It would be interesting to know if the PVC lasts in the shade. My guess is it will. I wonder if it would last longer if it was painted. :hmm:

Most members do babysaver up to 4". 3" is certainly way better than no babysaver, though! You may never have an issue with it at 3", or you may wake up one morning and find a kit in the next cage over. Yep, even though it's some 6" away. Don't ask me how. Rabbit kits are talented. Or magical. Or they possess superior technology.

I'm guessing that's 2x3 wire... looks like the left cage is 15" tall and the right one is 18". 18" is a good height that allows rabbits to stand up when they want to. :)

It's great that you've already thought out rain, sun, and wind. Many people just starting out in rabbits haven't thought all that through yet. Do you have any predator issues -- and this would include weasels and raccoons?

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I had one as a young teen, too. A friend of my mom took her in when I went off to college. We just started raising rabbits about 6 years ago. I joined HomesteadingToday and started learning, and then RabbitTalk started up and I joined here. I've learned almost everything I know about rabbits from the awesome people here!

SEP board wrote:And that's the running joke at our house now in that I put on my straw hat and gloves and tell my wife I'm 'heading out to the south 40 to take care of the herd' which amounts to a walk across the backyard.

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We started out in an apartment, but moved when our first litter was 10 weeks old. We moved in with my uncle, and built a stealth rabbitry in a posh city neighborhood (not kidding about the posh part -- it was nice when my grandparents bought in it, but it's very upscale now). It was a bit nerve-wracking, because one next-door neighbor was on the board of the dog rescue group. Of course, the other next-door neighbor was old-school, and still shot squirrels in his yard and made gravy with them... :P

Now we're on two acres in the country... in a very small town nobody's heard of, with almost no population. :lol:

SEP board wrote:My tomato plants love the stuff. Actually looking forward to when I've got more bunnies so I have more pellets to use.

We actually do have a couple of members who have rabbits just so they can have bunny berries to put in their gardens. :lol:

SEP board wrote: I was a little disappointed that quail droppings are hot fertilizer but then it gave me a reason to start up my compost bin again.

Yeah, chicken manure is hot, too. I know there are some fresh droppings in the rabbitry, but I figure most of it is composted in with the rabbit manure and pine shavings. I haven't had any issues putting plants in what I dig out of the rabbitry... I do dig down several inches before I start removing compost, though.

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Had to do the same thing on two of my forums. I kept getting the advertisements for shoes or other stuff. Sometimes in German. Had to ban a lot of IP addy's to stem the tide. Seems to come in waves here and there and sometimes they still get past the security setup but now it's just every so often.

Most of our spam problem was taken care of by banning a number of whole countries from which we had had no legitimate members join but which were the origins of spam. After that, we had occasional waves of spammers that would post a few threads advertising UK kitchens and stuff like that. They were little more than an annoyance for a long time. Then we were suddenly inundated a couple of months ago with Korean casino spam. We'd get a couple dozen pages worth of threads in a matter of minutes. That was very disruptive and difficult to deal with. After much research, our IT Admin, MidnightCoder, decided to put a couple more measures in place which you are obviously familiar with. We were hoping not to have to go this route, because some people sign up here with emergencies, but it was really the only thing that could be done.
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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#25  Unread postby SEP board » Mon May 02, 2016 8:47 pm


Backyard is fenced in all the way around. Not impossible for something to get in but hasn't been an issue, and hopefully won't be at all. Have a heavy-duty tarp on top to provide additional shade and can flap down in front if necessary.

I've completely redone the PVC hutch. I just wasn't quite satisfied with what you see in the pic in the first page. Had a bit too much flex when the rabbits were jumping around. So I redesigned it and used thicker 1 inch PVC and ran two lines underneath the cages so they actually sit on them which supports the bottom even better. Open air concept all the way around for maximum air flow. Much more sturdy. I'll post a pic when I have a chance.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#26  Unread postby shicat » Mon May 02, 2016 10:19 pm


I built my hutch out of regular 1 1/2" schedule 40 pvc from Lowes. This was my first time working with pvc, so I was a bit concerned about UV damage. I found a pvc site that suggested painting the pvc to prevent UV damage. I also learned that there is something called furniture grade pvc that's UV resistant, but it's also ridiculously expensive. Even though the hutch is fairly well shaded, I decided to paint it.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#27  Unread postby Miss M » Tue May 03, 2016 1:34 am


SEP board wrote:Backyard is fenced in all the way around. Not impossible for something to get in but hasn't been an issue, and hopefully won't be at all. Have a heavy-duty tarp on top to provide additional shade and can flap down in front if necessary.

Interestingly, we haven't had an issue except with dogs. They can't get to the rabbits, but they can stress them out. People will dump their dogs out here, and they start looking at people's livestock when they can't figure out what to eat.

We have a game camera set on our rabbitry. We fully expected to see raccoons trying to get into it, but haven't caught a single raccoon on camera.

Do watch your spilled feed... rats, another predator, can become a problem when they weren't one before.

SEP board wrote:I've completely redone the PVC hutch. I just wasn't quite satisfied with what you see in the pic in the first page. Had a bit too much flex when the rabbits were jumping around. So I redesigned it and used thicker 1 inch PVC and ran two lines underneath the cages so they actually sit on them which supports the bottom even better. Open air concept all the way around for maximum air flow. Much more sturdy. I'll post a pic when I have a chance.

Awesome! That was the only thing I was wondering about, but you sounded plenty knowledgeable enough that I figured you'd know pretty quickly whether your setup was sufficient.

shicat wrote:I built my hutch out of regular 1 1/2" schedule 40 pvc from Lowes. This was my first time working with pvc, so I was a bit concerned about UV damage. I found a pvc site that suggested painting the pvc to prevent UV damage. I also learned that there is something called furniture grade pvc that's UV resistant, but it's also ridiculously expensive. Even though the hutch is fairly well shaded, I decided to paint it.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#28  Unread postby alforddm » Tue May 03, 2016 7:17 am


Gray electrical conduit is UV resistant as well. Not sure how pricey it is though been a few years since I bought any.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#29  Unread postby SEP board » Tue May 03, 2016 8:02 am


Image

Here's the new set up.

It is a thicker 1 inch PVC. Six inches are buried. Instead of suspending the cages I new have them resting on the two slates running across the bottom. Wide enough for stability and the cages 'wedge' into the back to sorta lock them in place. But I can easily remove them to put down on the grass so they can romp around and nibble and just get a change of scenery. I didn't have the tarp up on top yet in the photo but it goes on top and has space above the cages for free air flow. I've added a fourth cage to the end. I was going to get a NZ white but decided to hold off and use it as a grow out pen now that I've got 8 new kits. This photo was about an hour before the center doe had her kits. Nesting box isn't in there as I had removed it to clean out the 'berries'. I actually went with a different box all together.

This set up has very little 'wobble' and just seems more sturdy all the way around.

The old set up of 3/4 PVC is going to get redone into a frame for stackable quail cages which I'll be putting to the right (where the rain barrels are at the moment). I don't need all four rain barrels in that location as two are just fine.

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Re: SEP intro

Post Number:#30  Unread postby Miss M » Tue May 03, 2016 11:38 pm


NICE! :) That does look much more sturdy.

It also makes it a little more difficult for them to eat the tarp. :P

SEP board wrote:the cages 'wedge' into the back to sorta lock them in place

Don't underestimate the power of bunnies to dislodge their cages. Just a heads-up. We have hanging cages, and despite closing the hooks until it's difficult for us to remove the cages, we still get the occasional wonky cage because the bunny had a case of the evening crazies and caused one or two corners to jump out of the hooks. :roll:

SEP board wrote:space above the cages for free air flow

Yes, that's awesome!

SEP board wrote: I was going to get a NZ white but decided to hold off and use it as a grow out pen now that I've got 8 new kits.

You, at least so far, have way more self-control than the vast majority of this forum! :lol:

SEP board wrote:The old set up of 3/4 PVC is going to get redone into a frame for stackable quail cages

Cool! So it doesn't even go to waste at all.
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