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Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#1  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:46 pm


Does the stress of having kits in the same cage as the doe for 12 weeks cause the doe to not be "in the mood?"

I know nutrients plays a big part so I'm going to start feeding spinach and light affects breeding being in WI the days are starting to get shorter.
Besides that could it be the kits or that I am trying to breed her nightly?

I put my doe in the bucks cage for 10 mins and she makes the noise a few times then runs in his hide. If I remove the hide she just goes and backs in a corner all while giving me the look.
She appears healthy with her ears up like usual.
Btw she is a few months under a year old so it's not age.

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#2  Unread postby golden rabbitry » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:20 pm


I would remove the babies at 6-8 weeks. Some males try to breed by 10 weeks so it isn't smart keeping them together. If that is the case, she might be pregnant from her son....not sure. I would definitely remove the babies.

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#3  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:44 pm


[quote="golden rabbitry"...Some males try to breed by 10 weeks......[/quote]

Oh wow I was thinking I had closer to 3 months! Thanks this weekend I was going to send them off to freezer camp anyway but I will definitely separate them just in case.

I hope that's not the reason she is refusing to breed...

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#4  Unread postby golden rabbitry » Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:50 pm


I'm not sure if they are fertile, but depending on the buck, they might try and mount by 10 weeks.

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#5  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:38 pm


golden rabbitry wrote:I'm not sure if they are fertile, but depending on the buck, they might try and mount by 10 weeks.

Thanks I separated them yesterday night. I was off on the age I double checked and I guess there 10 weeks old but still. I noticed a female mounting a female I double checked and it was a girl but glad you told me to separate. Thanks!

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#6  Unread postby golden rabbitry » Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:20 am


also just check if their testicles dropped, easiest way to see if they are to old

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#7  Unread postby Preitler » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:20 am


I seperate the bucks at 12 weeks, would do that at 10 weeks with small breeds. The girls stay with the moms for 16-20 weeks. I wish that would reduce their breedability, since I had a tiny problem with accidential litters this year.... :wr_facedesk:

Mine have rather big, structured hutches and are out grazing most of the day, so stress level might not be comparable to a cage where they can see each other all the time.

I don't relay on seeing testicles, they can pull them in pretty well and at that age you could see them too late - if you see them it's high time to seperate though.

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#8  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:49 am


golden rabbitry wrote:also just check if their testicles dropped, easiest way to see if they are to old

Didn't even think about that. Thanks.

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Preitler wrote:I seperate the bucks at 12 weeks, would do that at 10 weeks with small breeds. The girls stay with the moms for 16-20 weeks. I wish that would reduce their breedability, since I had a tiny problem with accidential litters this year.... :wr_facedesk:/quote]
My doe is a Satin and New Zealand cross. She only weighs a little over 8 pounds. So medium sized.....I guess.

Preitler wrote:Mine have rather big, structured hutches and are out grazing most of the day, so stress level might not be comparable to a cage where they can see each other all the time.

That would be a nice setup to have. Luckily she outwardly doesn't seem overly stressed since I never see her nip at the kits or anything but I'm sure she will be glad they are gone.

Preitler wrote:I don't relay on seeing testicles, they can pull them in pretty well and at that age you could see them too late - if you see them it's high time to seperate though.

Yeah I'm not going to count on that since I didn't notice I had a buck in a different cage instead of a doe. Half the time I see them it's actually dark out so I'm mainly using battery powered lights. Better safe than sorry they will be separated by 10ish weeks now on.
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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#9  Unread postby hotzcatz » Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:53 pm


FWIW, one of the does here is a day overdue and they're usually pretty much on schedule. I know they bred, they'd both had haircuts and he had at least one fall off. I'd noted it as at 8:20 pm, so it's even a more accurate schedule than usual. She had started making a nest really early, like about at day ten and now she's not pulled wool or built much more of a nest and she should have had them yesterday. As far as I can figure, it's a seasonal thing. Usually they don't want to breed in late fall or have very many litters in the fall and winter even though as hutch rabbits there's no lack of food.

Another pair that was supposed to be breeding has been chastely cohabitating as far as I can see. Neither one seems particularly interested in the other. The buck is a pretty soft breeder, but this is almost total non-interest. Soon as the doe with ten kits is shifted to a bigger space in the next few days, then the doe hanging with the buck can stay in the nesting hutch for a month, although I don't think she's gonna need it as a nesting hutch. The current kits are probably the last ones until next spring.
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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#10  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:48 pm


hotzcatz wrote:As far as I can figure, it's a seasonal thing. Usually they don't want to breed in late fall or have very many litters in the fall and winter even though as hutch rabbits there's no lack of food....... The current kits are probably the last ones until next spring.

Good to know I am afraid of that. I still will try the car ride trick to get her in the mood. And your in the warm weather I thought that'd be different or longer at least.

Yeah I'm trying her mainly with my calmer breeder. Since she snorts at him he just pretty much ignores her since in the past she just runs and warns him. Trial and error i guess.
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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#11  Unread postby Zass » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:24 pm


Mine tend to have less interest in breeding during the fall when they are moulting, but do well in winter if I introduce them during the morning or evening on nice clear sunshiny days.

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#12  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:13 pm


Zass wrote:Mine tend to have less interest in breeding during the fall when they are moulting, but do well in winter if I introduce them during the morning or evening on nice clear sunshiny days.

Good to know! Hope mine is like that. So a sunny morning perfect. I'll try that to. Thanks!

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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#13  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:38 am


judging a does readiness..[and my opinion]
I always look at the color of the vagina .
If it is pale and shunken, there is less chance she will lift,
less chance of pregnancy, less chance of a big litter.
So I will wait 2 days and look again.
If it is a little swollen, and a little red or purple colored, or has purple streaks inside,
there is a much greater chance of her lifting, and of a "good sized litter".
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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#14  Unread postby Green2Rabbits » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:43 am


michaels4gardens wrote:judging a does readiness..[and my opinion]
I always look at the color of the vagina .
If it is pale and shunken, there is less chance she will lift,
less chance of pregnancy, less chance of a big litter.
So I will wait 2 days and look again.
If it is a little swollen, and a little red or purple colored, or has purple streaks inside,
there is a much greater chance of her lifting, and of a "good sized litter".

Okay great thanks. I know I heard of this and she was shrunken and pale for a LONG time. Then I started to feed her spinach and BOSS and it was slightly larger and more of a red purple. I looked at the post of the perfect time and she wasn't quite there yet. Now she is pulling fur so maybe she is pregnant or at least a false pregnancy which explains a lot.
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Re: Stress affect breedability in Doe

Post Number:#15  Unread postby hotzcatz » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:22 pm


If she's pulling fur, she may already have been pregnant. A doe won't breed when she's pregnant, so that would be another reason for not breeding. Did she have a litter?

The doe we had here who was a day late didn't have her litter so I'm thinking the buck was heat sterile. He will be shooting blanks for a couple of months now if that was the case. Which is a pity, he's a buck I want some offspring from since he seems to have an 'extra fluffy' gene. Extra fluffy in angoras is a good thing.

Now is a good time to start setting up for next year's litters. Around here, they get busy starting in January when the days start getting longer. So this two month hiatus is a good time to refurbish hutches, sort the herd to see who should be bred, get the does and bucks into condition, etc., etc.
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