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Might have blown $200 on a bad buck, mad at myself(rant)

Post Number:#1  Unread postby golden rabbitry » Wed May 08, 2019 11:36 pm


So I am normally a very sound person, I think things through and ask God what to do, but I am starting to doubt my decision on buying this buck. I've never ever done something so spontaneous but something that felt like the holy spirit said go for it and jump so I did. I always go through craigslist to see if there are any rabbits cheap for what they are and I came across this harlequin black and orange Holland lop buck pedigreed and all, so I contacted the owner for the pedigree and they send me this perfect bloodline with winners and all the guts so I ask for the price and they originally paid like $400 for him and I only would pay $180 so I was like sweet! The only thing is i was so happy about the bloodline and price i didn't pay to much attention on the actual names of the rabbits and the original breeder the people got him from.So we go and get the rabbit and he is stunning. He was bought as decoration for their house, very bad vibes from those people. They gave everything that came with him, cage, bedding, feed, everything included for free. I breed him the next day to my fav doe and she is due any day now. Today I decided to type of the pedigree for the litter and I notice that several of the parents of Binkie(his new name) have no ear number and are inbred. He was inbred, his father was his mothers father! yikes! So i went to the original breeders web site and they breed for fashion, but not fur?!They breed pretty colors for photo shoots and stuff. I contacted them for permission of tattoo and they didn't even know to tattoo rabbits or any of that. So I go and finish the pedigree template but I'm low key pissed at myself for not looking closer. I've only been breeding for 2 years and started with a doe i rescued and a buck that is my childhood pet. Didn't plan on going so far let alone spend so much money. I don't know if I can pedigree with missing tattoos and such but the entire thing is making me really scared for how this litters gonna turn out. Never done this and hope yall have some advice...

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Re: Might have blown $200 on a bad buck, mad at myself(rant)

Post Number:#2  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Thu May 09, 2019 5:19 am


roll the dice, and see what turns up...
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Post Number:#3  Unread postby alforddm » Thu May 09, 2019 6:37 am


Being inbred isn't a bad thing in rabbits. It's quite common for breeders (especially commercial breeders who are happy with their production) not to introduce new rabbits for 10 years or more. Daughters back to fathers is a very common cross.

If he's a gorgeous rabbit in other respects don't worry about the inbreeding. Just treat him like you would any other buck and evaluate his offspring on their own merit.

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Post Number:#4  Unread postby SableSteel » Fri May 10, 2019 5:00 am


If they're breeding for color and 'pretty rabbits for photo shoots', and don't know about tattooing it's probably not a high quality rabbit. A harlequin too, which isn't a recognized color (its used to make tricolor so it can be useful in some breeding programs, but because its not showable usually isn't priced as high). Inbreeding is not a problem. Missing ear numbers isn't a big problem either (as long as they have names). Missing weights though, and the rabbit can't be registered, though it's pretty common for breeders to forgot to add weights (you just have to contact them and get the weights usually).
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Post Number:#5  Unread postby GBov » Sun May 26, 2019 3:02 pm


Yep, what the others have said, breed him and see how he does.

My herd is now closed and I will bring in no "new blood" at all for at least the next 5 years. The risks are too high for me to do it, esp. as I am really happy with what I have to work with now.

So fathers, mothers, daughters, sons, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters.... breed the best, eat the rest! :D

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Post Number:#6  Unread postby SixGun » Thu May 30, 2019 11:54 am


golden rabbitry wrote:So I am normally a very sound person, I think things through and ask God what to do, but I am starting to doubt my decision on buying this buck. I've never ever done something so spontaneous but something that felt like the holy spirit said go for it and jump so I did.


I try to do the same thing. Ended up with another dog last night because of just that.

golden rabbitry wrote:I always go through craigslist to see if there are any rabbits cheap for what they are and I came across this harlequin black and orange Holland lop buck pedigreed and all, so I contacted the owner for the pedigree and they send me this perfect bloodline with winners and all the guts so I ask for the price and they originally paid like $400 for him and I only would pay $180 so I was like sweet!


Bargain shopping for a quality herd buck is rarely a good idea. If you want to improve your bloodline in a highly competitive breed like Holland Lops you're really going to have to bite the bullet and pay the price. However, saving up for that big purchase can give you a lot of time to get to know breeders, contact transporters, see whats available and wait on litters.

golden rabbitry wrote:...I breed him the next day to my fav doe and she is due any day now.


Now you know that is not necessarily a good idea. If that was their only rabbit that reduces your chances of a biosecurity breach, but with a bad feeling from those people I wouldnt have taken the chance. 30 day quarantine. At least. Always.

golden rabbitry wrote:Today I decided to type of the pedigree for the litter and I notice that several of the parents of Binkie(his new name) have no ear number and are inbred. He was inbred, his father was his mothers father! yikes!


Totally normal. Inbreeding and line breding cements in good characteristics. It also breeds out the characteristics you don't want. A smaller rabbitry will probably do this more often as well.

golden rabbitry wrote:So i went to the original breeders web site and they breed for fashion, but not fur?!They breed pretty colors for photo shoots and stuff. I contacted them for permission of tattoo and they didn't even know to tattoo rabbits or any of that. So I go and finish the pedigree template but I'm low key pissed at myself for not looking closer. I've only been breeding for 2 years and started with a doe i rescued and a buck that is my childhood pet. Didn't plan on going so far let alone spend so much money. I don't know if I can pedigree with missing tattoos and such but the entire thing is making me really scared for how this litters gonna turn out. Never done this and hope yall have some advice...


Pedigrees dont make or break a rabbitry or breeding program. I've been improving the quality of one of my lines of Satin Angoras and I'm not even breeding to the same breed to do it. The resulting rabbits, who have a pedigree, but not something you'd call 'pedigreed', show very well and are an improvement on their breed. You enter rabbits into a show based upon their breed type. So for example I bred a French Angora to a Satin. The best of the litter was a nice buck that carried both Satin coloring and Angora wool. I then bred him to a french Angora. The best of that litter was another short haired rabbit. She carries wool and may or may not carry Satin sheen. I bred her to a French Angora. The best of that litter was a long haired doe. She could carry satin but not necessarily, but I'm back to wool at least, and she has a much better commercial body than the french angoras that were used to produce her. She got very nice comments at the last show. I will breed her to a Satin Angora. All of the kits will have wool and there's a chance some of them would have satin sheen, but all of them will carry satin sheen. Then breeding like to like for four generations will get us back to a rabbit I can sell as pedigreed.

So, long winded and back to the beginning, if you like this buck, and he has characteristics you want for your program, use him. Try a few test breedings. See what he throws. If its not what you want, start looking for that next buck. But I think someone above mentioned that he is an unapproved color. That could be a major problem you dont want to introduce to your lines.

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Post Number:#7  Unread postby golden rabbitry » Thu May 30, 2019 3:03 pm


funny thing, my doe is terrible at pregnancies, her last litter was another false making it 50% chance of a no show litter. The buck is also tempting to sell because after doing some more research I think that I should sell all and start fresh because since I wasn't planning on getting serous but now I want to breed for more than the pet market, I want to invest in a quality breeding pair

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Post Number:#8  Unread postby GBov » Thu May 30, 2019 3:07 pm


As our goals change, so do our stock. I started with mutts and moved on through the years through several breeds both large and small.

Am thrilled at what I have now but wouldn't change my past rabbits, I learned so much from them.

What is funny is so many of them are still with me, as hides and furs now. 8-)

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Post Number:#9  Unread postby SixGun » Thu May 30, 2019 3:35 pm


Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Once you know you want to breed you will save yourself a lot of time, trouble and heartache if you start with something quality. Not that you won't have all of those things anyways, but you might save yourself some here and there.

And quality doesn't necessarily mean "show quality". It just means a representative of what you are striving for. A good quality commercial rabbit, if you want meat production will be your goal. A show rabbit needs to not only look good, but be healthy and free from any hidden DQs. Thats why the breeder and your relationship with them is very important. You need to trust them. And they need to be honest with you.

I agree with GBov. Everything we learn with those first ones is immeasurable.

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