Test breed ChinxREW : Rabbit Colours and Genetics

Shea · Post Number:#1 by **Shea** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:25 pm

I am waiting on a test breed for my satin Chin buck. I had kept back a nice REW doe from my meat buns litter with a previous owner and am now waiting to see what he throws. She is due anytime now and showing it.

Both are Agouti based and since I've now read about the sable gene showing oddly on Agoutis is there a way to tell chins from potential sables apart?

Or was this just a way for me to get a whole litter of Chins with no way to confirm his C locust?

SableSteel · Post Number:#2 by **SableSteel** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:31 pm

The sable gene isnt common in satins, I wouldnt expect to see it. If he does have it though you might see sable chins - they have a more brownish, shaded looked to their color. Or you might get some rews and confirm that he's cchdc

Shea · Post Number:#3 by **Shea** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 am

He has already had a litter with a doe carrying rew and didnt throw any. Would this breeding allow me to confirm cchdcchd?

SixGun · Post Number:#4 by **SixGun** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:42 pm

percentage wise, if he carries cchdc, you should see half of the kits REW cc on a breeding. OF course things never work so perfectly. If you were sill not to get any rew on this litter, then I think you'd be pretty safe saying he was cchd? You'd have to try a few more breedings though to make sure he's cchdcchd.

And yes, sable chin looks almost exactly like chin, but the markings and rings are somewhat lighter in color and there is a brownish tint to the chin.

Shea · Post Number:#5 by **Shea** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:38 pm

Thanks SixGun. You wouldn't happen to have a picture of a sable chin? I tried google but couldnt find anything reliable.

She is pulling fur right now! Kits are imminent. It might have been easier on her to wait till evening though :\ 85° is not overly pleasant.

__________ Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:38 pm __________

Well I peeked and saw white

So unless someone is hiding something really odd my buck is cchdc.

SixGun · Post Number:#6 by **SixGun** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:21 am

I only have a picture of sable chin in angora, which is probably not the best example. Dood or SableSteel may have a pic.

SableSteel · Post Number:#7 by **SableSteel** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:24 pm

I have lots of rabbit color pictures, but most of them are not mine (I just save images for personal reference when I see interesting colors). Seems most of my sable chinchilla pictures are rex furred though lol

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Heres a baby sable chinchilla

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Heres an older jr, with some notes I made on it (think this picture from rabbittalk originally :oops:

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akane · Post Number:#8 by **akane** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:03 pm

Left agouti sable, right regular chin

It did take awhile to be certain of adult color. It was only a "probably" sable when I bought him as a 4month old.

Shea · Post Number:#9 by **Shea** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:00 am

Thank you both! A picture is a much better reference then just a description.

I ended up with 3 rew and 4 chins! I was kind of hoping for some squirrels this round, but at least thats one more locus confirmed.

__________ Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:59 am __________

And then things got confusing again. . . .

3 week old kits I thought were REW

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SableSteel · Post Number:**#10** by **SableSteel** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:51 am

Looks like he carries the himi gene instead of rew (cchdch)

Shea · Post Number:**#11** by **Shea** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:44 pm

I havent looked into the himi gene yet. My understanding is that their points will develop with time and temp?

SableSteel · Post Number:**#12** by **SableSteel** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:38 am

The points will darken as they age and as it gets colder; however these looks to be agouti based himis (normal himis are self) so the points will never get as dark; chinchilla is the darkest theyll get, not black

Shea · Post Number:**#13** by **Shea** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:17 am

And likely not even that dark. One Im sure is a blue. Thanks!

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