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Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#1  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:40 pm


I have lately met several folks advocating buying gold and silver , so they can trade for food with it if the "economy" goes down.
I told them,- I would never trade gold or silver for food- it's worthless to me- try bringing me a load of manure , tools, or something i can use-and maybe we could work something out..
all i get is confused looks...
anyone else running into these kind of folks?
to me, this kind of thinking is just weird...
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#2  Unread postby AmberRae » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:01 pm


Agreed! They will just be rocks if shit ever hit the fan.

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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#3  Unread postby Zass » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:52 pm


Some speculation here, but.. I think it's meant to be more of a store of wealth, not so much for trading for food in an all-out survival scenario so much as "if the dollar tanks, this substance can still be traded for any currency in the world."

At least, to me it would seem more practical as a substance people were able to store now, and use it to recover financially later, after any SHTF scenario has blown over.

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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#4  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:57 pm


Zass wrote:I think it's meant to be more of a store of wealth, not so much for trading for food in an all-out survival scenario, but more of a practical, "if the dollar tanks, this substance can still be traded for any currency in the world."

I think the idea is to be able to store it now, and use it to recover financially later, after any SHTF scenario has blown over..


That would make sense ,and i have agreed with those who use that logic..but these people were storing gold and silver instead of storing food...because food will go bad and metal won't.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#5  Unread postby Marinea » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:51 am


I don't understand those folks.

In the event of some kind of fundamental change (collapse or disaster or war), I think a barter economy will be created. Some hay for a rabbit, some corn for some eggs, some veggie seeds for some canning jars. I don't see a consumer economy prospering in that environment.

The problem is, we have gotten used to instant gratification and short term satisfaction. People assume the status quo will never change. If it does change, it will likely happen fast, and mindsets are often much less quick to adapt.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#6  Unread postby Rainey » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:40 pm


And better than trying to hoard enough food or gold--for me it would be learning some skills and knowing something about the resources where you are. Like how to grow your own meat on weeds and willow and some extra stuff from the garden. And to use the 'bunny berries' to grow a better garden. And wild edibles and useful herbs. Skills develop instead of deteriorating and learning how to do those things (and to make your own music and build things that are beautiful as well as functional) lead to more satisfaction and less fear than hoarding.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#7  Unread postby Marinea » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:12 pm


Rainey wrote:And better than trying to hoard enough food or gold--for me it would be learning some skills and knowing something about the resources where you are. Like how to grow your own meat on weeds and willow and some extra stuff from the garden. And to use the 'bunny berries' to grow a better garden. And wild edibles and useful herbs. Skills develop instead of deteriorating and learning how to do those things (and to make your own music and build things that are beautiful as well as functional) lead to more satisfaction and less fear than hoarding.
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Excellent point. When the skills are needed on day 1, it might not be the best time to realize you need to learn something. An example- how to access fresh water locally if the power is out long term.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#8  Unread postby alforddm » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:41 am


I have had a bad habit in my life. I bounce around from hobby to hobby. Part of the problem is that I enjoy learning new things more than practicing things I already know. So, it ends up that I know how to do many things passably well but nothing well enough to really excel. The upside is that in the event of an economic collapse, I have the skills to do alot of different things. I can make soap from fat and wood ash, tan hides, make things from leather (gun or knife sheaths, halters, etc.), sew, raise rabbits off forage (I'd have to eat quite a few to get my numbers down), make medicine from herbs, and make and fire pottery from our local clay. Good thing hubby has a prepper mindset. :lol:

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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#9  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:30 pm


Marinea wrote:
Rainey wrote:And better than trying to hoard enough food or gold--for me it would be learning some skills and knowing something about the resources where you are. Like how to grow your own meat on weeds and willow and some extra stuff from the garden. And to use the 'bunny berries' to grow a better garden. And wild edibles and useful herbs. Skills develop instead of deteriorating and learning how to do those things (and to make your own music and build things that are beautiful as well as functional) lead to more satisfaction and less fear than hoarding.
Just my opinion


Excellent point. When the skills are needed on day 1, it might not be the best time to realize you need to learn something. An example- how to access fresh water locally if the power is out long term.


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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#10  Unread postby Marinea » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:33 am


Come on Michael...don't you know that anyone can grow a garden? I mean, how hard can it be? Those farmers/preppers/rednecks aren't college educated city smart folks like me.

-said by many (not me)
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#11  Unread postby Nymphadora » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:48 pm


Marinea wrote:Come on Michael...don't you know that anyone can grow a garden? I mean, how hard can it be? Those farmers/preppers/rednecks aren't college educated city smart folks like me.

-said by many (not me)

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Exactly, nothin' to it! ;) :lol:

Goodness gracious, wait until people find out that grocery stores don't actually grow meat in a petri dish! :x :P
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#12  Unread postby Ghost » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:58 pm


I find preppers to be an interesting lot. On the one hand they understand that societies do come to an end. In normal main-stream conversation the idea that this society can come to an end seems to be a "no-go zone". I seam to have to remind people that the Roman Empire was a society that can to an end. I'm sure that they were at least a few people that speculated that the society they lived in could come to an end. I would hazard to guess that those Romans were considered crazy, even those individuals who were more or less correct on the method in which the society disintegrated. On the other hand, I'm not sure that I can do anything to really prepare for "the end" in a meaningful way. I also feel that chances that I meet my demises by not being prepared are low compared to other ways I might meet my demises.

That being said it is interesting to speculate on how the survivors do, provided that our society ends in a way that does not lead to human extinction.

A medium of exchange seems like a logical outcome of such a situation. Being less people there will be more gold per person so It could be logical. On the other hand, "Will there be enough gold coins in circulation to have a post-apocalyptic economy?". I once jokingly suggested the currency of post-apocalyptic economy (in North America) would be the eagle-back. By that, I am referring to Washington quarters struck from 1932-1998. These feature the bust of Washington on the obverse the the bald eagle on the reverse.

I guessed the eagle-back because, they are wide spread enough that forging humans could find a supply of them, but they would not be as common as the post 1998 quarters. They have a good durability and they could not be easily counterfeited in a post-apocalyptic world. Granted that there availability would not make them a high value coin. But there size would mean that you could carry enough of them to have significant value compared to daily needs. Say, one rabbit carcass could be worth 2 eagle-backs that could be traded for an item of similar value.

Gold coins would also have value but it would be based on the eagle-back say 0.1 oz gold coin would be worth 100 eagle-backs, but gold coins would be too scarce to be traded for daily commodities

Just a weird though, not taking myself too seriously in this post.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#13  Unread postby Homer » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:23 pm


Nymphadora wrote:
Marinea wrote:...

Goodness gracious, wait until people find out that grocery stores don't actually grow meat in a petri dish! :x :P


Of course not, everyone knows it's grown in little pink packages! :shock:

Let it come, just opened a can of green beans a couple nights ago that got missed I canned in 2015! Oh yeah, they came from our garden.

If you want to see what the preppers are worried about do a search on Deutsche Bank Issues, the largest bank in the world...Let it come but we'll be guarding our gardens with a shotgun.
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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#14  Unread postby Thorn » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:14 pm


Marinea wrote:I don't understand those folks.

In the event of some kind of fundamental change (collapse or disaster or war), I think a barter economy will be created. Some hay for a rabbit, some corn for some eggs, some veggie seeds for some canning jars. I don't see a consumer economy prospering in that environment.

The problem is, we have gotten used to instant gratification and short term satisfaction. People assume the status quo will never change. If it does change, it will likely happen fast, and mindsets are often much less quick to adapt.


Im with Marinea.Trade will likely take over,however a little gold or silver can't hurt as long as it is kept secret.

A good supply of foods is the foundation for and survival plan. Meats such as beef and deer will likely be more valuable for trade because they will become rare quickly, however small livestock will benefit you more, as they can be eaten in one meal, and will not go rotten before you can eat the whole carcass,they can survive off of less feed, which means less of your time and labor collecting now essential hay and other feeds, and they are less valuable, and therefore less likely to be stolen. Most animals will be hunted to the point of extinction in a few years-so that bets off.Vegetables will also be essential for overall health and vitamin intake. Herbs will be useful as spices to change up food and for medical reasons.

Tools will become hard to find and valuable.Good shovels,Knives,Guns,Ammo,Clothes,Fabric,Needles,Horse Tack,Animal pulled equipment,Thread,Wood,Tin,Wire for animal caging, are a few examples of thing that will be valuable.

Medical supplies and information on how to use them will be worth gold if SHTF.


INFORMATION.I cannot stress this enough.Books,Notes,even the information in your head is vital.Knowing something as simple as how to make rope from grass could save you life.Research,study,knowledge. Assume the worst will happen (even though this is very unlikely) and we will all be living in grass huts and reverting to herders, or farmers living in cottages who are lucky to be able to afford nails from blacksmith.Then gather the knowledge and skills you will need to survive this.Learning one or two skills very well will also be valuable.A herbal doctor,A Cattle/goat/sheep farmer,A Blacksmith,A clothes maker(I'm certain theirs a word for that),the list goes on.

It likely will never get this bad, but better to be ready.Worst case scenario you can pass it on to those who many need it someday and will live secure in the knowledge that you have a chance at life if the world ends.More likely is a modern form of the Great Depression,or a WW3.In any case the best things you could have are a few rabbits' flock of chickens,a goat, and a garden.

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Re: Gold and Silver and "Preppers"

Post Number:#15  Unread postby michaels4gardens » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm


Thorn wrote:
A good supply of foods is the foundation for and survival plan. Meats such as beef and deer will likely be more valuable for trade because they will become rare quickly, however small livestock will benefit you more, as they can be eaten in one meal,


INFORMATION.I cannot stress this enough.Books,Notes,even the information in your head is vital.Knowing something as simple as how to make rope from grass could save you life.Research,study,knowledge. Assume the worst will happen (even though this is very unlikely) and we will all be living in grass huts and reverting tIn any case the best things you could have are a few rabbits' flock of chickens,a goat, and a garden.


in The "great depression" deer were completely extinct in most eastern states in 60 days, we now have 3 x that population.
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