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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#16  Unread postby ipoGSD » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:59 pm


Watch "My Buster coming back from the vets lots and lots of bunny kisses" on YouTube
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Just got back from the vets.. i asked for more subq fluids to be on the safe side

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#17  Unread postby KimitsuKouseki » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:32 pm


That is so cute XD glad he's doing better.

Also, Alforddm, I'm not sayign the probiotics wouldnt help. For sure I think it'd be good to give him some later. I was just saying that right now might not be the best time since his condition is already improving so much.

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#18  Unread postby ipoGSD » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:17 am


I dont understand.. he gets active but once he eats he huddles up seemingly in pain. He still isnt constantly pooping, the poops seem to come out in bunches every few hours. They are small and really dark. He will eat a piece of hay every once in a while but nothing that really mounts up to any amount of fiber.

I truly wish they would have gave a motility drug and metacam.

Im still doing belly rubs.. critical care, his lactulose, pineapple juice and gas drops. And here i was worried about the laxative, he def still needs it.

I know he isnt dehydrated because i brought him in for a 2nd round of subq yesterday afternoon. The vet that saw him on Tuesday wasnt there yesterday. The receptionist wasnt going to let me bring him in. Said the rabbit vet wont be back on until friday and none of the vets are willing to see rabbits.

I said well, cant a tech do it? She said she legally needed permission from the vet. I said cant you call him? She flat out said no he has family in town (im thinking yeah..sure!) So i said well cant u get permission from one of the vets there and have a tech do it? All he needs is fluids. She let out a huge sigh of annoyance and said hold on, I'll ask. She had me on hold for 15 minutes. Then came back and said bring him down now, they will do it.

I wish i would have went to a different vet! I chose this one because they had an appointment at 9:30 vs the other office at 10:15. The receptionist at this place is rude AF! Dude, im offering to put more money in your pockets.. be polite!

Need opinions... If he still seems like he is in pain by tomorrow afternoon, should i call the vets office and try to demand pain meds and motility meds? Its like his gut wants to work but stalls after he eats.. or something? And if it would be a good idea to get the meds, and they refuse i might consider a second opinion. Not that i can afford it. But if he needs something this vet isnt giving..i have to do something..

He is only the 2nd rabbit Ive ever had go thru stasis, so maybe this is normal? I dont know.. i just know i see him get energy and he seems happy then boom.. he will hunch in a corner.

I was told by his breeder to offer oats but im afraid to offer anything besides his CC and hay at this point. And its not like i can talk to the vet..

While at agway today i looked for horse/goat pro biotics but the only stuff they had was for chickens. So I'll have to go to tractor supply and see if they have it.

Just dont understand the ups and downs with how he is feeling..

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#19  Unread postby alforddm » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:41 am


I would get probiotics and syringe them with water. If you can find a nursing supply store or a vet supply store and get some saline injection and shot needles 18 guage 1/2"-1" needles. You can inject the saline under the skin for dehydration. It takes a bit longer to take effect but it's a pretty safe procedure. Here are good detailed instructions. If you have questions just ask someone will help. http://www.vetfolio.com/article/subcuta ... y-patients

If he is dehydrated, that can stop decrease his gut mobility right there just from lack of fluids. Either increase the number of times your syringing fluids or learn to do the SQ fluids. You need to get him hydrated right away. After that you can work on the gut issue.

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#20  Unread postby Harelady » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:55 am


I have gotten several rabbits thru stasis. I really not sure why they didn't give you a guy mobility drug. Everytime I have taken a rabbit with stasis that what they give me. I have found vets to be very fickle about rabbits. I was told by one vet that they wouldn't give me shots of antibiotics because they didn't trust owners to do it. I have given many shots over the years and prefer it over oral medication. I have had vets give me shots before so that was news to me.

Perhaps take him to a different vet. Feed hay and critical care and keep him hydrated. Hopefully things will get better.

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Post Number:#21  Unread postby ipoGSD » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:11 pm


Alforddm, i will get the probiotics for him tomorrow, ill have to go to tractor supply and hope they have it. I have been without a car since dec 27th. I JUST got my car back tonight at 5. So now i wont have to beg to borrow someones car :)

And buster has been drinking his electrolyte water, quite a bit of it actually. I had to refill his dish. (Small dollar store cat food dish) And i still offer some more with the syringe, i can usually get him to drink 9-15cc's at a time ontop of what he has been drinking on his own. But that info for subq fluids is definitely a big help. Hopefully i wont need to do that but great info if i do!!! Thank you!!!

And yes harelady, i fully agree.. i have NO clue why he wouldn't give him motility meds. I asked over and over! The vet just said the pineapple is safer and less invasive on him. Friggen p****d me off. Paid 200 for a vet visit in order for mainly 3 things.. fluids, motility and pain meds for him. And only left with a laxative and his subq was done. And of course the xray.

He has been eating more hay today vs yesterday. I keep offering fresh handfuls vs leaving older stuff for him to eat. He likes it FRESH. :)

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#22  Unread postby KimitsuKouseki » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:02 am


I'm with you on vets being rly expensive and sadly some will be very... mmm whats the word..... cheap? Aka give you nothing but charge an arm and leg.
I've had a vet promise over the phone she'd give me the penniciline to treat my whole herd. I made her confirm 3 times she would before I went. Ans once I was in the clinic and was forced to pay
she then sent me back out with nothing other then the confirmation I do need peniciline to treat my issue and if I want to treat them I have to bring all 20 rabbits every 3 days for a period of 2 weeks and obviously pay every time for the group visit and injections...... I told her nevermind, payed that visit (otherwise they wouldve called the cops, but darn they didnt deserve my money) and walked out. She was the closest exotic vet to my region and still was 40min away. Got my penniciline from a different vet who's 20min further away then her. I also visited every single vet (none of em do exotics) and pet shop in my area and told them to never send their customers over there telling them my story. She was the closest so they often sent people there and did get a few people come back telling them they had poor service but with my story they were horrified. I also tell all the people I sell my rabbits to about this so they never go there. So yeah... I get it.

In your case though I think the fluids he gave him most likelly saved your bunny's life. True the issue isnt solved and there are issues, but your bunny managed to get through the most critical stage other treatments might not have helped enough in time. Also now you know the fluids really made a difference on your bunny so you can research and save time/money if it ever happens again. Wich you might not have known/tried otherwise. So I think even without him giving you all you wanted, it was positive enough to have made your expense worth it.

Also, I'd like to thank you for sharing the progress. I didn't know about pineapple juice/pieces and will know to try it myself and recommend it in the future.


Edit: Inappropriate language
I'm so so sorry I truly didnt realise I did that x.x
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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#23  Unread postby Nymphadora » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:06 am


Just a friendly reminder, please use family-friendly language on this forum, folks! I understand some of these subjects may make your blood boil, but we have youngsters on this site, and some people are averse to cursing and swearing regardless of age.

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Post Number:#24  Unread postby ipoGSD » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:43 pm


Kimitsu, glad my post will possibly help a bunny or 2 in the future :) for the amount to give, i hope this also helps.. at the vets buster weighed a hair over 2 lbs (lost quite a bit of weight from stasis- his sister weighs a hair under 3lbs) and the vet recommended 2cc's of fresh pineapple juice every 4 hours. Said anything other than using juice from whole pineapple the enzymes will either be gone or mostly gone. (No cans..powders..fruit cups)

I dont mind that it was 200 the first day- well 186 and some change. And 24 and some change the next day. (Was happy my mom let me use her CC to charge it) It truly did save my favorite bunnies life. I just wish this vet wasnt like a know-it-all just because he went to college. So many people have done so much research with their passion animal(s) that they are more educated than a vet in some aspects. It seems they donttttt like that at all!

Dont even get me started on my knowledge of k9 nutrition vs a vet who wants to push foods they get paid to endorse lol!!!!!

As for the vet not giving antibiotics for your bunnies.. thats just them pulling a power trip. I had pet ball pythons for years. And my vet in VT (where i was born and raised) gave me enough dewormer for all my breeder rats without having to see a one of them. To me, thats a nice vet. One who sees you care and are willing to work with you.

As for my baby Buster, he is still improving. Be it slow.. its still an improvement :) he still is eating hay on his own. Seems when he eats too much tho his belly starts hurting, he huddles up for a while after. He is pooping, and because hes eating a lot of timothy hay and a tad of orchard his poops are nice and round and fiberous.

I tried offering a little bit of oats but he didnt want any parts of them. Im agraid to add a small amount of pellets.. anyone have any advice on that? All hes had is hay and critical care. I've wondered about fresh wet greens but again..im nervous.

My other bunny Snickers (daughters bunny actually) who went thru stasis was used to greens so they werent an issue at all and they are what kept her eating. Buster has had greens but not too much, because of his age. And when he started coming out of stasis Sunday, i was giving wet greens/pellets he crashed.

So... advice?

-- Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:43 pm --

Oh and we got his pro biotics tonight from tractor supply. "Probios multi species"

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Re: GI stasis

Post Number:#25  Unread postby Shea » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:52 pm


Would he eat pumpkin? Or pumpkin puree? That is something ive given dogs and cats to help move things along and I have been feeding it regularly to my buns. It is high in fiber and for most quite palatable because its sweet.
I wouldnt think a tablespoon or two would cause to much of an issue gut wise.

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Post Number:#26  Unread postby ipoGSD » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:29 pm


Thats actually a good idea.. i forgot all about pumpkin!
I did give him a few pellets. Literally 10 of them. But then i made sure to get him to drink a little extra.. gonna have to run to the store for pumpkin!!! Ty!!!!!

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Post Number:#27  Unread postby Shea » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:40 pm


Your welcome! Good thing about the puree is that you can thin it and syringe feed maybe mix in the probios at the same time.

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Post Number:#28  Unread postby ipoGSD » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:18 am


I keep hearing his belly gurgle so loud so i know his belly still isnt right. Even without hearing his belly, just the way he hunches up tells all.. hes in pain..

Im gonna call the vet today and ask for motility and pain meds, buster has been like this too long its not fair to him. If the vet refuses to give them to me but says bring him back in.. i will go for a second opinion at a different vet..

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Post Number:#29  Unread postby KimitsuKouseki » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:44 pm


Sounds good, poor boy, hope you can convince your vet.

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Post Number:#30  Unread postby a7736100 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:05 pm


Does he go in pain if you only feed critical care?

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