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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#76  Unread postby JenerationX » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:20 pm


GO PEEWEE!!! He's a cutie!

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#77  Unread postby Rainey » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:46 pm


Just found this thread when trying to figure out whether the litter born this morning has been fed. They actually look somewhere between the fed and unfed photos. Even when we first picked them up--not more than an hour after they were born--and brought them in to warm them, some were more wrinkly and some had rounded bellies. Is there such a difference even before any are fed, just like some are overall larger or smaller than the rest?
We put them in the nest box and out with the doe when they were warm but brought them back in when they seemed to be getting cool, even in the nest. Planned to follow the advice given on another thread I started and take them out to her again at dusk. But when my daughter fed the rabbits on the way to milk the goats Berwick, the mother, seemed to be looking around for something in the hay still scattered on her floor. So took the nest box out and left it with her for about half an hour. When we brought it in and checked them we still weren't sure they were full, although they seemed less wrinkly. And they were definitely warmer. Does that indicate they'd been fed? And since they're only about 8 hours old, would they not take very much milk or would she not have a lot at first? We'll keep them in overnight and take them to her first thing in the morning. So far the pictures I've taken have been with the kits "right side up". Tomorrow I'll try to get belly photos.
This thread was very helpful--so much information already on RT, but sometimes I forget to look and ask the same question that's already been answered.

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#78  Unread postby MaggieJ » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:16 pm


Rainy, the difference between fed and unfed kits is not always as pronounced as in the pictures. Since they are only hours old, I would not be too concerned. Momma's milk may not be fully in yet and the kits will be okay without feeding the first day. You are doing exactly the right thing giving them to her in early morning and evening.

If the kits are getting cool even in the nest, you might want to add some supplementary nesting material. Some of the materials people use are dryer lint (preferably not strongly scented), teased cotton balls or batting and feathers from a pillow. I was lucky enough to have a good supply of goose breast feathers, the little half-downy ones, from a mean gander we culled. They work very well.

See how it goes tomorrow. If you are still not sure, please post again, either here or in a new thread. Pictures definitely help.

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#79  Unread postby Rainey » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:36 am


Took the nest box out this morning at first light. Didn't see the doe in it, left it with her about half an hour. Took pictures of the kits when we brought them in. Still less than 24 hours old. Found it hard to hold them up for a belly shot, very squirmy so focus not great. Still feel uncertain that they're fed. Anybody with more experience have an opinion?
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#80  Unread postby Miss M » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:17 pm


Eve with the fuzzy pix, I'd say those kits are fed. A couple of them look to have those very distended bellies that are so funny. :) Hopefully, the others will get some nice, big helpings, too. But as long as they look at least like that, they'll be fine. :D
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#81  Unread postby Rainey » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:17 pm


Miss M wrote:Eve with the fuzzy pix, I'd say those kits are fed. A couple of them look to have those very distended bellies that are so funny. :) Hopefully, the others will get some nice, big helpings, too. But as long as they look at least like that, they'll be fine. :D


Thanks, Miss M, that's reassuring. I think I've been confused by the use of the word wrinkled for the unfed kits--mostly at first they are wrinkled, even when the bellies are full. And they wriggle so much and their position really affects the belly bulge. But probably if they weren't fed, I wouldn't see the belly bulge even in flashes.
The photos weren't blurry but I had too many pixels and when I cut that down, they were blurry. Is there a way around that?

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#82  Unread postby MaggieJ » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:39 pm


Rainey, I think when people use the word wrinkled to describe the tummies of unfed kits, what they really mean is flat and wrinkled or sunken and wrinkled. Those kits look to me like they have been fed, the second one especially. After a couple of days, you will feel more confident about judging how they are doing. :)

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#83  Unread postby Susie570 » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:09 pm


Looks like fat bellies to me.
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#84  Unread postby Rainey » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:55 am


Thanks for the replies that helped me through a nervous weekend of wondering if they were getting enough to eat. This morning, almost 48 hours from kindling, Berwick had more milk or they were better at sucking because they came in with full bellies that even I had no doubts about. Maggie's descriptives "flat or sunken and wrinkled" were very helpful to me is seeing what to look for.

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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#85  Unread postby Petlover500 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:50 pm


Very helpful, especially for us that are new to rabbit breeding!!
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#86  Unread postby powellanimals » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:00 am


First litter ever, doe's first litter, born yesterday afternoon. To my untrained eye the kits still appear unfed. However they do have tiny black feces on them. Does that mean they have to have been fed since there would be no reason for them to go to the bathroom otherwise? Also, the feces are still on them, is the doe supposed to clean those off? Thanks for the help!
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#87  Unread postby Easy Ears » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:18 pm


powellanimals wrote:First litter ever, doe's first litter, born yesterday afternoon. To my untrained eye the kits still appear unfed. However they do have tiny black feces on them. Does that mean they have to have been fed since there would be no reason for them to go to the bathroom otherwise? Also, the feces are still on them, is the doe supposed to clean those off? Thanks for the help!


Pictures would be helpful if you can get them! :)

I believe they would have to have something in them to be able to go potty...
The doe is supposed to lick each bottom, so that they are able to urinate. If she isn't doing this, you will need to get a wet rag and gently wipe until they urinate. And wipe that feces off too! ;)
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#88  Unread postby powellanimals » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:18 pm


Easy Ears wrote:
powellanimals wrote:First litter ever, doe's first litter, born yesterday afternoon. To my untrained eye the kits still appear unfed. However they do have tiny black feces on them. Does that mean they have to have been fed since there would be no reason for them to go to the bathroom otherwise? Also, the feces are still on them, is the doe supposed to clean those off? Thanks for the help!


Pictures would be helpful if you can get them! :)

I believe they would have to have something in them to be able to go potty...
The doe is supposed to lick each bottom, so that they are able to urinate. If she isn't doing this, you will need to get a wet rag and gently wipe until they urinate. And wipe that feces off too! ;)


I think I spoke too soon as just a few hours later they looked like they had full bellies and were clean. I don't think she fed them this evening yet but the babies are still warm and moving so hopefully she feeds them again tomorrow morning. Thank you for the help!
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Re: Fed vs. Unfed KIt Pictures

Post Number:#89  Unread postby Sumatra » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:02 am


This was extremely helpful in telling the difference. Thank you!

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