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Re: FODDER: A beginning. It's comin' along. Final shots.

Post Number:#91  Unread postby MamaSheepdog » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:55 pm


grumpy wrote:I'm slow responding to all of your posts.
My apologies. My reasons for this DON'T belong on this thread.


I hope things are going better now, Grumpy. :clover:

jeannie wrote:Yep, my hubby calls them little dinosaurs. They see something and *zoom*... like velociraptors :x


That's how I think of them, too! :lol: I continually give thanks that chickens are knee high at best... imagine if they were 6 feet tall. :x Or four. Or even three. Even small as they are, I hope I never fall unconscious while in their vicinity. I am sure they would eat me. :oops:

JohnMc wrote:Might I suggest an experiment on top of your experiment?? ;)

How about taking some of the excess fodder production and see if it could be turned into a `hay`?


Lol! Another project for Grumpy!

Now he'll be on the lookout for an industrial sized dehydrator or dehumidifier... or maybe he'll just keep it low tech and dry it on some screens. But that would be too easy, so I doubt it! ;) :P
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Post Number:#92  Unread postby grumpy » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:22 pm


MamaSheepdog wrote:
grumpy wrote:I'm slow responding to all of your posts.
My apologies. My reasons for this DON'T belong on this thread.


I hope things are going better now, Grumpy.


Thanks for your concerns MSD.....I'm workin' on them. :x :x

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Post Number:#93  Unread postby cmfarm » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:12 am


Very interesting. It will be neat to hear how things turn out later down the line. I have considered trying some sprouted grains for my chickens before but never got around to it. Maybe I should give it a try. We have a lot of different kinds of animals here and I am sure they would all love it.

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Post Number:#94  Unread postby ZRab » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:18 pm


Grumpy, I wish I would have seen this sooner. After Rabbittalk vanished, today is the first day I realized it was back. Anyways I tried this setup last spring too after researching it awhile. Tired of the pellets inconsistency and price increases, on top of little profits if any, this I had to try.

Took a bunch of time to get the automatic watering to function, and never did properly. The watering was the biggest headache, I won't even go into detail. The rack I built was similar to yours except all shelves drained front into gutters, then to a drain. It held 36 of those trays. Wasn't too bad at first, just 1 and 2 trays a day to introduce it. Till I got up to six trays a day it became a pain. Also knowing more would be needed.

I spent a total of 7 weeks at it and gave up and back to pellets. Just some of issues that started it off, were the mold issues, most of that was corrected with cleaner barley. Always guessing amounts for the week ahead was a pain. You had to do it everyday, can't get sick, you miss one day and it really messes things up. Hand watering 2x a day is very time consuming. Cutting up, cleaning up trays, just the whole process was involved. If all that wasn't enough the results were worse.

After going all over to fodder I knew it wasn't going to cut it. The whole point was to eliminate pellets. Not do all the fodder work and still have to feed pellets. The rabbits were definitly struggling, missed litters, less milk, skinny kits and does. It just seemed the were wasting away and always hungry. It was tough to watch and even tougher to realize the time and money wasted. When you look at the kits and they look like race horses instead of bell shaped meat rabbits it was dissapointing. Way to slow for commercial.

It was a setback for sure and at least I won't have to wonder anymore, cause I experienced it first hand. If you had a few pets and a lot of free time then fodder would be cool to dabble with. For larger inventories of rabbits for meat purposes it is not. I really don't know where you are at with this Grumpy, but I would have to say you will be back to pellets soon if not already.

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Post Number:#95  Unread postby grumpy » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:20 pm


Zrab:

There was only a very short period of time that I considered going
completely with fodder. Like you said, "miss once," and the whole
shootin' match gets messed up. I came to terms with the fact that
"although" I distrust feed companies, I'll be forced to remain "joined
at the hip" with them.........so to speak.

The fodder serves its purpose, in my operation. I'm still producing
18-22 pounds per day. YES, I've missed a day or two, I can't deny that.
BUT.....I won't forsake what I still believe to be an excellent food source
for the herd. If I don't feed fodder for an evening snack, they let me know
in short order.

Is it "ALL" that it's cracked up to be??
To be honest, I don't believe so. There's drawbacks with the system
and the time sensitive schedule one must adhere to.
And, I think you're right about the stock not retaining their weight.
However, I never completely switched over, but I did get the sense that
their weight was slipping. NOT much, but a little.

COSTS: This is the one point that I support. It's much cheaper.
It takes more time...but it's far cheaper than pellets. Plus, they like it.
That must count for something. To say it's been an effort in futility
wouldn't be completely correct. I've learned a lot.....good and bad.

Health: It's a positive when fed. It reduces the "forced" growth of fryers
headed to market. With the addition of a clean cheap grass hay, I've
almost done away with the enteritis associated with young weanling
rabbits. ( I had 2 out of 150+ head in the last two-months.) I think a
pellet-only diet is begging for problems. Diversity is important in their
diet. That's just my opinion.

Note:
Checking my notes, I've been doing this for 5 consecutive months.
It's been a long haul at times because of other demands upon my time.
Overall rating:1-10 with10 being the best....I'd rank it near a 7.
We're coming into cold weather so, I'll see how well I can control the
temp in the fodder room. My water closet is in there as well, so I'll have
two temperatures to regulate. This might me fun.

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Post Number:#96  Unread postby Miss M » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:26 pm


Thank you for your continued, straightforward assessments, Grumpy. :)
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Post Number:#97  Unread postby wamplercathy » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:40 am


Just wanted to share this a few of the fodder forms.

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Post Number:#98  Unread postby MJRabbits » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:28 pm


I find this incredibly interesting. Being in Arizona I considered doing something like this on a smaller-ish scale. Any updates?

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Post Number:#99  Unread postby Honey » Fri May 08, 2015 7:48 pm


That looks great!! I use a metal shelving system we had bought from lowes for the pantry. I stole it from the pantry as it wasn't strong enough to keep up with the canned goods. I like yours! Looks good! :)

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Post Number:#100  Unread postby grumpy » Fri May 08, 2015 8:48 pm


I gave it the old "College" try..... :( :(

Lack of free time played a major role in my decision to cease the operation
a month or so ago. With all that I've got going on, time became critical.

So I made my decision. See below:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/4999960892.html

It was fun, I learned a lot, but other factors in my life took precedence.
Maybe someone else can get some use out of it.

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Post Number:#101  Unread postby Sooner » Tue May 12, 2015 11:29 pm


Grumpy,

I love this setup. I'm new to this forum, so I don't know much, but I want to try doing this on a much smaller scale. I only have 2 rabbits at the moment and I don't like buying a whole small bail of timothy hay/Alfalfa that goes bad before they eat half of it. At one point you said that you would have been dead in the water because of mold, on another site I read that bleach, vinegar, or hydrogen peroxide could be added to the water to prevent mold. Did you ever try any of these?

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Sooner wrote:Grumpy,

I love this setup. I'm new to this forum, so I don't know much, but I want to try doing this on a much smaller scale. I only have 2 rabbits at the moment and I don't like buying a whole small bail of timothy hay/Alfalfa that goes bad before they eat half of it. At one point you said that you would have been dead in the water because of mold, on another site I read that bleach, vinegar, or hydrogen peroxide could be added to the water to prevent mold. Did you ever try any of these?



I re read the thread and I realized that you did add Bleach, Whelp, it looks like the Pellet Company may have won this go around. Sorry for not reading the thread thoroughly.

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Post Number:#102  Unread postby grumpy » Tue May 12, 2015 11:33 pm


It's pretty lengthy, that's for sure. But I tried to be thorough in all of the
details. Bragging for sure, but I raised some awesome fodder on a regular
basis..

I had a fella show up this evening, and he never batted an eye paying me
the price I was asking for the set up. Time....was my biggest problem.
Not having enough of it, didn't help and I had to make a decision.

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