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Post Number:#31  Unread postby tailwagging » Wed May 29, 2013 6:39 pm


on your way home drop by the nearest police station and tell them you think you may be being followed and would like to set in there station for 5 mins or so to be sure your aren't. or eat out and go see a movie then go shopping.
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Post Number:#32  Unread postby alch0my » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:58 pm


Ok ...im against rabbits for fur and meat only when the animals are treated cruelly and yes I believe animals have rights to be shown some form of affection and taken care of. There are so many people/places that torture animals till the bitter end of their lives for whatever purpose. They are not killed humanely infact they're killed in such a way that inflicts huge amounts of pain ..including animals being scared to death all the time before the deed is done. I do believe in meat and fur purposes only if it is done humanely and they are well taken care of. When you buy gloves trimmed with rabbit fur at lets say Nordstrom Macys ect... most likely the rabbit killed so the gloves can be trimmed with its fur did not die a humane death. I am not one of those peta nuts. I DO AGREE that rabbits can be used for other purposes but can't condone an animal living in fear and cruelly killed is right.

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Post Number:#33  Unread postby Flemishstar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:20 pm


Thats a scary email...Iwouldntof even responded to any of that!!! DID they ever get back to your email?

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Post Number:#34  Unread postby dangerbunny » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:20 pm


^^ what does that have to do with this topic?
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Post Number:#35  Unread postby zee » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:32 pm


AMAZING! I would cut ALL communications with her. SMH

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Post Number:#36  Unread postby Flemishstar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:23 pm


I meant the email recieved by the poster ..stating that she worked with an animal rescue group was scary...not the email written back

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Post Number:#37  Unread postby dangerbunny » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:26 am


not you Flemish, I meant the post above yours.
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Post Number:#38  Unread postby MaggieJ » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:32 pm


alch0my wrote:Ok ...im against rabbits for fur and meat only when the animals are treated cruelly and yes I believe animals have rights to be shown some form of affection and taken care of. There are so many people/places that torture animals till the bitter end of their lives for whatever purpose. They are not killed humanely infact they're killed in such a way that inflicts huge amounts of pain ..including animals being scared to death all the time before the deed is done. I do believe in meat and fur purposes only if it is done humanely and they are well taken care of. When you buy gloves trimmed with rabbit fur at lets say Nordstrom Macys ect... most likely the rabbit killed so the gloves can be trimmed with its fur did not die a humane death. I am not one of those peta nuts. I DO AGREE that rabbits can be used for other purposes but can't condone an animal living in fear and cruelly killed is right.


AlchOmy, are these your views or is it a quote from somewhere? Very few rabbits are raised and/or slaughtered inhumanely. Apart from any moral considerations, it would just not be practical. The meat and fur quality would suffer. Commercial rabbit operations my be short on giving the animals affection, but that does not constitute animal cruelty. The rabbits are livestock, not pets.

If you truly believe what you say, you need to post the sources for your information.
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Post Number:#39  Unread postby alch0my » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:54 pm


Something I heard about factory farming. I believe rabbits are good for many uses not just pets. I don't think anyone on here is cruel to any animals. I just felt that there are some people who protect animals in the right way ...I know there are nuts out there trying to make people who raise rabbits and other livestock look evil. I was referring mostly to over seas where animals are not taken care of. Im so sorry if I offended anyone.

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Post Number:#40  Unread postby Jack » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:27 am


most rabbits are NOT factory farmed, and even IN the factory farmed rabbits, they are treated humanely at least IF NOT much better than the chicken you ate
so before you got tossing stones...

NOW...
on the gloves, as 99% of Rabbit Fur comes out of CHINA
(a well covered topic, but mostly because they haven't closed down tanneries or require them to do expensive stuff like neutralize/impound run off and other environmental mediation)

In china Rabbits are FARM raised, NOT factory farm, but a MASS scale of BACKYARD raised rabbits...
funny, isn't this one of the 'goals' of certain movements

you can't have it EVERY way,

Your average movie star ANIMAL ACTIVIST is supporting a group that is FOR the END OF HUMANITY, who see animals as being on the same level as humans, NOT food given to us to husband in a responsible manner
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Post Number:#41  Unread postby alch0my » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:46 am


I wasn't trying to toss stones ..I said animals are food and I believe in animals treated humanely till they are butchered for meat or whatever purposes. I was talking about factory farming like for example a cows uterus falls out and its shoved back in instead of ending its suffering ..those kinds of things. I DON'T THINK there is anything wrong with raising livestock but I not imposing my beliefs on anyone think all living things deserve some form of respect before wit is killed to sustain me. I don't think I'm a nut for thinking that way or thinking its wrong to perform acts of cruelty on living creatures. Cruelty as in torturing not butchering for food. I DO NOT think anyone 9n here tortures rabbits or animals or is wrong for raising animals as food. I eat meat! I hope explained myself better this time. Thank you.

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Post Number:#42  Unread postby MaggieJ » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:07 pm


alch0my wrote:There are so many people/places that torture animals till the bitter end of their lives for whatever purpose. They are not killed humanely infact they're killed in such a way that inflicts huge amounts of pain ..including animals being scared to death all the time before the deed is done.


This is the part of your statement that needs sources. It is a very serious allegation and unless you have sources, you should not be posting this. "Something I heard about factory farming" - as you say in a later post is just not good enough.

Animal welfare rules are very stringent in Europe. And as Jack points out, most rabbits in China, the largest producers, are not factory farmed. What may be true of factory farming of some animals does not apply to rabbits. Abuses would be a rare exception to standard practices. So please do not make it sound as though commercial rabbitries are abusing their animals.

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Post Number:#43  Unread postby alch0my » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:22 pm


Im not saying commercial rabbitries are abusing there animals. Im talking about some places in China and I read about it online somewhere and seen some things on tv. I did not say every single place that raises rabbits or animals is abusing their animals. Why is everyone so upset when I mentioned some pllaces over seas don't do it humanely. I don't understand. I just said there is nothing wrong with raising animals for food or other purposes commercially or private farming. The only thing I said that was wrong is I should of implied some places the workers can be cruel and I didn't mean to imply all places. I was talking about places where there had been undercover footage of it. I feel like I am walking on egg shells. Commercial rabbitries treat their animals good.

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Post Number:#44  Unread postby Zab » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:39 pm


alch0my wrote:I was referring mostly to over seas where animals are not taken care of. Im so sorry if I offended anyone.


I'm almost offended by that one! :lol: Just kidding :)

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As for the topic (now when I've read back a bit).. : Very well written e-mail. I would probably not say that much, more of a ''I'm sorry, the rabbit found another home." or some other excuse.. but tha's because I'd be nervous.

I think it's a good idea to play it safe and drive around shopping or something if you ever meet someone with those conditions..
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Post Number:#45  Unread postby Dood » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:45 pm


Jack wrote:In china Rabbits are FARM raised, NOT factory farm, but a MASS scale of BACKYARD raised rabbits...


Their defintion as a 'small family farm' is VERY different than mine...
Presently in China, rabbits are still mainly raised in smaller units, typically involving only two or three persons (mainly husband and wife) raising between 3,000 to 5,000 rabbits per annum

From - http://world-rabbit-science.com/WRSA-Pr ... t/M-Wu.pdf

AND any rabbits intended for export must be shipped to distant processing plants for rendering.

Googling 'china rabbit farm' will provide plenty of graphic images and video of animals being slaughter and not in a humane way by Western standards.
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