Help identifying these phenotypes?

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Winterwolf

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I've searched just about every rabbit genetics website I could find and have had no luck tracking these down. Can anyone help me figure out what color these phenotypes are?

First: aa B_ cchd_ D_ ee

Second: aa B_ cchd_ D_ E_

I should probably specify, the breed in question is mini lops.
 
The first one is Sallander.

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The second is self chin. Self chin will look black, maybe a slighter lighter than normal black.
 
The first is sallander (it's usually albeit genetically incorrectly called sable point in lops, because 'sallander' isn't recognized but the phenotypes overlap enough that they can pass as sable points)

The other is self chin, which usually look like blacks although they sometimes have gray eyes or faded fur as a result of the chin. In Rex furred breeds cchd combined with a more recessive allele can fade the color to seal, but in lops most self chins pass off as blacks.
 

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