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Addressing the special needs of the breeding doe and her kits. Includes nutrition, gestation, nest boxes and materials, and tips to ensure survival of the young.
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Post Number:#16  Unread postby bantambunnies » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:57 pm


Not to be insensitive, but... ;) That is so cool. Especially for you to be able to get a picture of the fetus inside the sac.

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Post Number:#17  Unread postby MamaSheepdog » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:58 pm


bantambunnies wrote:Not to be insensitive, but... ;) That is so cool. Especially for you to be able to get a picture of the fetus inside the sac.


Not insensitive at all. I thought the fetus in the sac was really neat, too!
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Post Number:#18  Unread postby bikegurl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:41 am


Wow! Very interesting!

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Post Number:#19  Unread postby ButtonsPalace » Thu May 07, 2015 9:32 am


So I am moving a possible pregnant doe. Her first litter was during high 80's low 90's temps she carried 11 to term with two not making it past 1 week. Do you think moving here VERY early *too new house* will mess with her?
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Post Number:#20  Unread postby MamaSheepdog » Thu May 07, 2015 9:34 am


She should do just fine. A lot of people buy bred doe when starting out (and I have sold bred does) and they usually have their litters with no problems.
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Post Number:#21  Unread postby ButtonsPalace » Thu May 07, 2015 9:42 am


Thank you. I just didn't want her to loose a litter if there was some way to prevent it. Not sure if she is pregnant yet but will find out soon ;D :P :P
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Post Number:#22  Unread postby TerriG » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:16 pm


I had a grow-out doe do something similar a couple of weeks ago, but I'm sure hers was two pregnancies. We had a buck (that loves the babies and grow-outs, he mopes without friends) in with the whole group.

The doe decided to sexually mature early and got pregnant. I never saw them breed, but the evidence was indisputable. One group of kits was term and on the wire (I didn't find them soon enough to save them) and the others were probably 2-3 weeks gestation. When she went into labor with the older kits, she aborted the younger kits.

I had never had this happen before, but then again, I raise in cages and control the breeding. That buck now permanently has his own cage. He's not thrilled, but oh well!

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Post Number:#23  Unread postby Zass » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:25 pm


I wanted to add my pics to this too, since I've had a rabbit that was definitely not exposed to a buck more than one time (one cover even) produce some kits in various stages of development along with 9 healthy kits that all survived to processing weight.

I tend to agree that it's probably very common for rabbits to have some kits not develop fully. I think, they just tend to clean those up before we ever see them.
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Post Number:#24  Unread postby PinkPenguin » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:00 pm


Really impressive that you managed to get these pictures. They are precious, even if they were not meant to be.

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Post Number:#25  Unread postby Petlover500 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:58 pm


Crazy!
That is really cool, although sad too.
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Post Number:#26  Unread postby Easy Ears » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:40 pm


I was planning on making a separate post for mine, but saw this one and thought I'd just add my picture here.
I breed my new HL doe on August 19th and then a few weeks into pregnancy I moved her to a larger cage with a wooden floor, so she won't have the kits on the wire. She is around 2 years old, and was used to living on the wire for most of her life (that I know of) She didn't take to the wood well at all (It is a bit slippery) and would just sit in the corner day and night. I was assuming she would get over it and start hopping around. Apparently she was quite stressed out because after watching for a few more day I realized very quickly she stopped eating and drinking, and after finding a bit of blood in the hutch I moved her back to her wire cage, and moved her inside. After a long while of feeding her everything I could think of to get her to eat again (Oatmeal, pineapple, raspberry leaves, strawberry leaves, dandelions, etc.) she started back on pellets. A bit later I found 2 premature kits in the nest box in a PILE of fur. :cry: / :D It was so sad, but so sweet she actually had them in the box! (I did find one who fell through the wire) That was on September 14th. 5 days before her due date. Hard to imagine 26 day old kits can look like this. They sure grow fast! :o
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Post Number:#27  Unread postby funnies50 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:44 pm


Awww EE! I'm sorry. :cry:
The pictures with the premature kits are very cool, even if they weren't really meant to be :)
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Post Number:#28  Unread postby MamaSheepdog » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:16 pm


Easy Ears wrote:I named all 3 of the kits and buried them. I added the fur she pulled for them to the grave. -/-(


:cry: I'm sorry for your loss. Better luck next time. :clover:
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Post Number:#29  Unread postby wpcaernarfon » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:28 am


This is very close to an issue with one of my lionheads. I have blue eyed white Vienna gene lionheads and tried 4 times with our 3rd generation doe. First pregnancy nested one week soon had 1 partially resorted fetus and one huge one she had to bite in half to get out.

Next mating to same buck was pregnant but nested a week early. X-ray showed resorting kits. Third mating to a different buck the same. Fourth mating, now on third buck nested 1 week early and dug up the nest. Day after she was due started nest building again. X-ray showed 1 very large kit and vet did an emergency c section. There was 1 large kit who lived a few hours and 3 empty placentas.

The few kits she had looked like the pictures in this thread. She cannot mate safely again. Her parents and siblings are all normal and do not have this problem.

A good friend who is a well published professor of large animal reproductive medicine was stumped by this problem. It has shown up in large animals due to viral infections or aneuploidy. It cannot be changed with nutrition he told me. Probably not diabetes either.

It is not safe to breed the doe. She has to be sold off as a pet and would not have value as a show rabbit. Sorry.

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Post Number:#30  Unread postby Miss M » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:46 am


wpcaernarfon wrote:This is very close to an issue with one of my lionheads. I have blue eyed white Vienna gene lionheads and tried 4 times with our 3rd generation doe. First pregnancy nested one week soon had 1 partially resorted fetus and one huge one she had to bite in half to get out.

Next mating to same buck was pregnant but nested a week early. X-ray showed resorting kits. Third mating to a different buck the same. Fourth mating, now on third buck nested 1 week early and dug up the nest. Day after she was due started nest building again. X-ray showed 1 very large kit and vet did an emergency c section. There was 1 large kit who lived a few hours and 3 empty placentas.

The few kits she had looked like the pictures in this thread. She cannot mate safely again. Her parents and siblings are all normal and do not have this problem.

A good friend who is a well published professor of large animal reproductive medicine was stumped by this problem. It has shown up in large animals due to viral infections or aneuploidy. It cannot be changed with nutrition he told me. Probably not diabetes either.

It is not safe to breed the doe. She has to be sold off as a pet and would not have value as a show rabbit. Sorry.

Wow... what an odd situation. I don't understand resorted/resorting. What does that mean?

The rest of it, though... with three different bucks. Gracious! I would agree that it is not nutrition related, as the trials of other members have shown issues like this to be genetic.
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